Vanity Fair
February 1997
by Kevin Sessums
Photographs by Annie Liebovitz

For all his offbeat roles, such as the leads in What’s Eating Gilbert Grape and the upcoming Mafia movie Donnie Brasco, Johnny Depp has the elegance of the silent-screen star and a decidedly European cut that includes his choice of companion, British model Kate Moss. Kevin Sessums finds the nomadic founder of Hollywood-style grunge making his directorial debut, The Brave, and settling into a $3-million 1930s mansion

Johnny Depp sits in the middle of the Mojave. His shoulder-length hair has been dyed a shade or so blacker than the Hills that pass for mountains over in South Dakota. Movie makeup darkens his skin. Those hooded, haunted eyes of his concentrate on the screen of a tiny monitor, itself hooded with a tube of cardboard so that the desert’s unrelenting light won’t distort Depp’s filmed image, which is being played back for his perusal. Physically spent after many weeks of directing The Brave, a script he co-wrote with his brother, D. P., and in which he also stars, the 33-year-old actor is homesick for his own bed back in Hollywood, as well as for the company of his girlfriend, model Kate Moss, who is working the runways of Europe’s fall fashion shows. Depp licks his parched lips. Shifts his lean, abundantly tattooed body in his director’s chair.

Floyd Red Crow Westerman interrupts his reverie. “That was my last line,” he says, referring to the scene that flickers before them. Westerman, a Dakota Sioux who played a featured role in Dances with Wolves, portrays Depp’s father in The Brave, a dark tale about familial love. The two men embrace as the crags in Red Crow’s ancient face shift upward into awe. “Look!” he commands, and points his intricately carved walking stick towards the two creatures soaring silently in the desert sky.

“Hawks?” Depp asks.

“Crows,” Westerman says. “That’s my family bird . . . But the spirit of the crow is important in all our lives. It does not fly away in the winter like most birds. It is the one who stays.”

Red Crow lumbers up a hill through a horde of local extras Depp has assembled, a breathtaking array of poor, weathered faces that Diane Arbus might have photographed if she had used Dorothea Lange’s camera. He then settles into his own chair in the shade of a production tent, where he and another of the film’s actors, Frederic Forrest, pass the time between scenes by swapping Jack Palance stories. Forrest is insisting that the famous entrance in Shane, in which Palance so gracefully dismounts his horse, is really rewound film of the actor mounting the animal, since Palance was “a city guy who didn’t give a shit about horses. Scared of them.” Red Crow laughs, then changes the subject to their director, Depp. “At first I thought Johnny was taking on more than he could handle with The Brave,” Red Crow whispers. “I only seen one other guy who directed and acted in the same film. That was Kevin Costner in Dances with Wolves, but I seen Kevin break a couple of times and tear after someone and get mad. I haven’t seen that in Johnny. He goes beyond getting angry. He likes off-center, artsy roles as an actor, and he’s that way in his personality, too.”

Down the hill, Depp is directing another scene, one which involves several children. It is getting late, and soon his crew will lose the light. The children are hot. The crew is hotter. Depp, with the grace of a rewound Jack Palance, just goes about his business.

Depp has become the most fascinating of male movie stars because he is free of the usual male-movie-star fascinations: an entourage of hangers-on, the need for a hit action movie every other summer, a salacious preoccupation with salaries. In a town of sequels, he’s an original. He even looks different. “Johnny invented grunge,” claims director John Waters, whom Depp once proudly described as his personal guru. “I don’t remember a movie star with that look before him.”

There is, indeed, a dirty sweetness about the actor; his unkempt, soulful slouch has combined with his dry disregard for the rougher shoals of machismo to deconstruct the very notion of male glamour. Descendants: the late River Phoenix, Leonardo DiCaprio, Ewan McGregor, Stephen Dorff.

After a string of artistic triumphs in carefully chosen films—Cry-Baby, Edward Scissorhands, Benny & Joon, What’s Eating Gilbert Grape, Arizona Dream, Ed Wood, Don Juan DeMarco, Nick of Time, and Dead Man—Depp remains devilishly incongruous. In an era of blowhard stars, he has retained the muted elegance of the silent screen. A deeply American actor—he often hints at his Native American blood—he has fashioned a career with a decidedly European cut.

“Johnny doesn’t suffer fools gladly. He tends toward a choice of material that’s going to interest him intellectually, and has always said to himself that the career comes second,” says British director Mike Newell, whose big follow-up film to Four Weddings and a Funeral is Depp’s upcoming Mafia movie, Donnie Brasco, in which he plays the title role, a real-life 70s F.B.I. undercover agent who bonds a little too closely with his exact opposite, Cosa Nostra lackey Lefty Ruggiero, played by Al Pacino. “This particular role interested him, I think, because the whole character had to run beneath the surface, as it were,” Newell continues. “Johnny is one of those actors who acts in a kind of long term. You stay with his characterizations throughout a film because he tells you his story in his own good time—and, more important, you are willing to wait for it.”

Donnie Brasco was a motherfucker of a movie,” Depp deadpans. “I spent a lot of time with the real Donnie Brasco, Joe Pistone. Brasco was his undercover name. He’s got an interesting rhythm to his speech. I did my best to get that. I put great pressure on myself to make it fucking right for the guy. He lived it. I was just pretending.”

“He brought a sensitivity to the part,” says Pistone. “That’s a side of me that a lot of people don’t see. It was amazing—a lot of times during the shoot I’d close my eyes and say, “Christ, that’s me talking!” It was eerie. The kid’s a good actor. He doesn’t put effort into it. He just does it.”

“I’ve never consciously played into any image,” insists Depp, a high-school dropout who dreamed of being a rock guitarist but who, in transplanting himself to Los Angeles more than a decade ago, accidentally became a teen heartthrob with his role on the 1980s Fox Network hit 21 Jump Street, in which he also played an undercover cop. “I never wanted to emulate anybody else. Every young actor who comes out of the blocks, they say, ‘James Dean,’ because it’s easy.”

“Jimmy Dean was my best friend,” says Martin Landau, who won an Oscar for best supporting actor for his portrayal of Bela Lugosi opposite Depp in Ed Wood. “The point is that it is not easy to compare young actors to James Dean. Yet I don’t know anybody who’s closer to Jimmy than Johnny . . . They share a similar subtlety in their work. But Jim’s was a fragile talent—not as developed as Johnny’s is.”

I’m not ‘Blockbuster Boy.’ I never wanted to be. I wasn’t looking for that,” Depp says, having turned down the role of Lestat in Interview with the Vampire before Tom Cruise accepted it, passed on the Brad Pitt romantic lead in Legends of the Fall, and declined the offer of the action hero in Speed, a part which made Keanu Reeves a star. “I mean, it would be nice to get a whole shitpile of money so you can throw it at your family and friends . . . I just don’t know if movies can ever be considered art, because there’s so much money involved,” he continues, perhaps protesting a tad too much, since he himself recently crossed the $4 million-per-picture threshold. “It’s all about commerce. I don’t think that art can come from that place. But I aspire to be an artist someday. Maybe I’ll be 70. I don’t know if it will come from being in a movie, though. Maybe I’ll just whittle something.”

It’s a late-summer afternoon, and Depp settles into an air-conditioned corner in the private downstairs bar of the club he co-owns, the Viper Room, located on Sunset Boulevard, where acts as diverse as Johnny Cash and Hunter S. Thompson have occupied the upstairs stage. Everything in this low-lit hipster joint is fashionably black, so much so that, instead of a red velvet rope outside, the place could use a good strand of pearls—white ones, not the exotic black kind encased in the platinum rattle that Kate Moss reportedly gave him soon after they met.

The first seven years of Depp’s life were spent in Kentucky, so I ask the erstwhile whittler if he still considers himself a southerner. “Definitely. I need a big ol’ greasy meal every now and then—lots of pork and collards and biscuits.”

“How about the church, if you’re a true Bible Belter?” I ask. “You seem to have packed away a few demons in the baggage you’ve hauled around all these years.”

“When I was a kid back in Kentucky, we went to see the church where my uncle preached. It was kind of a weird Baptist, full-on place. People kept running up to the pulpit and grabbing his ankles and being saved. Lots of crying. Even then, at six or seven, I questioned how pure the emotion could be if it were on such display. That’s where I found music, really—where I started playing guitar was in church, through that uncle. He had a little gospel group . . . We’re all a mishmash of extremes. I know that I have demons,” Depp confesses, firing up one of his ever-present cigarettes. “I don’t know if I want to get rid of them altogether, but I would like to experience them in a different way. Maybe go face-to-face with them. I’ve never really had the time to go into therapy. Well, here and there. But not enough to help.”

Upstairs, a rock group cranks up its rehearsal for a performance later tonight. Depp tilts an ear at the pounding and muses on how music has always guided his life. He drives a Porsche Carrera or his ’58 Chevy Apache truck when tooling around L.A., but when he wants to get away from it all he climbs into his ’51 Mercury and turns up the volume. “it looks like a 50s rocket ship, my old Mercury, I got 5 inches chopped off of it. It’s great to get in it and get on Interstate 10 and just head east. That’s when I’m in a 50s kind of mood and I want to listen to Chuck Berry. I do get into moods by periods. I’ll go through a couple of months where I listen to nothing but old 20s and 30s stuff—Cab Calloway and Jelly Roll Morton and Fats Waller. Then I’ll come back and listen to modern stuff—Oasis or Iggy Pop,” he says, the latter a good friend of his, who is composing the sound track for The Brave.

At seven, Depp left Kentucky with his family and headed for Florida. By the time he was a teenager, he, along with his brother and two sisters, had called more than 30 houses home. An infamous denizen of the world’s finest hotels, Depp has finally bought a house he can call his own, a 1930s mansion in the Hollywood Hills. It has taken more than a year for him to restore the $3 million estate—a place where, legend has it, Bela Lugosi once lived and scenes in The Wizard of Oz were shot—to its original glory. Depp now has space to display the disparate collections he has acquired over the years. An amateur entomologist, he has purchased many of his finest specimens in a shop off Paris’s Boulevard St.-Germain. Other collections include original Jack Kerouac manuscripts, as well as some of the writer’s old clothes. He’s also got a lot of guns.

Depp’s early nomadic existence may have played havoc with his sense of security, but it only strengthened his bond with his mother, Betty Sue, a waitress who was divorced from his father when Depp was 15; he’s even got her name tattooed inside a heart on his left biceps. After he settled in California, he bought a house for Betty Sue and moved her from Florida to Palm Springs. “It’s a very Elvis-and-his-mama kind of thing,” says John Waters.

“Somehow it all leads back to family,” Depp insists. “I mean, in a town like this, you become on some level a commodity. But when you get back to your family, that all goes away. You’re Johnny again. At a certain point I wasn’t Johnny Depp anymore. I’d become ‘Johnny Depp.’ ” He stops for a moment, steeped in himself. He closes his eyes. “I remember picking tobacco with my grandfather back in Kentucky,” he finally says. “We were inseparable, me and Pawpaw. He died when I was seven, and that was a real big thing for me. But somehow I believe that he’s around. I believe in ghosts. I hope I’m a ghost someday. I think I’d have more energy. But I’m sure my Pawpaw is around—guiding, watching. I have close calls sometimes. I think, Jesus Christ! How did I get out of that? I’ve just got a feeling that it’s Pawpaw.”

Soiled green Astroturf surrounds the murky pool in the center of the Hollywood Suites Motel. Depp’s makeshift production office for The Brave is located in this seedy hangout on the western end of Hollywood Boulevard. Though the subject matter of the film—it involves “snuff” movies, in which people are tortured and murdered in front of the camera—is quite disturbing, Depp seems downright jaunty. Taking a break from a location meeting, he busily slurps on the straw sprouting from his McDonald’s soda cup. On his face is a bemused grin. On his head, a white nautical cap. Inside it, on the band, is printed one of Depp’s nicknames for himself: MR. STENCH.

“I’ve had this skipper cap forever,” he says. “Worn it since I had a weird dream about the Skipper on Gilligan’s Island. He was chasing me around, kind of evil-like. But he never did catch me. I ran into this hideous little apartment building and into a kitchen. I looked over to my right, and there was this overweight Hispanic woman in a nightgown. She lifted her nightgown, squatted, and peed on the floor.” Depp sucks up the rest of his soda. “That dream’s really stuck with me.”

“Are you surprised that you and Kate are still a couple?” I ask, taking this as a warped cue to ask him some woman questions.

“I am amazed,” he admits. “I am doubly amazed at how great it still is. It’s still new. It’s still fun. It’s still very naïve—even though we have all this history together now and all this luggage. But it’s still a good time. She makes me laugh. And man, you can’t beat that South London accent.”

Depp and Moss met in February 1994 at Café Tabac, the trendy downtown Manhattan spot. Though they’ve had their public ups and downs, both have claimed that it was love at first sight. They certainly still seemed very much the couple at the Halloween party Moss tossed a few months ago, where she came in what appeared to be a Mortimer Snerd mask, he as the F.B.I. sketch of the Unabomber. Disguised though they were, their regard for each other was not. Depp told Moss that he would not mind if she talked to me publicly for the first time about their relationship—it has even been rumored that the two are secretly engaged—but she said through a spokesman that this is the one area of her life that remains private, and she did not feel comfortable commenting upon it.

“All the women you’ve been serious about—Jennifer Grey, Sherilyn Fenn, Winona Ryder, now Kate—are quite white,” I tell Depp, who was married for less than a year when he was 20 to a makeup artist, Lori Allison. “You pride yourself on being in touch not only with the ethnicity inside you but also with the ethnicity that enriches our culture. How do you then explain this fixation on white women?”

“The ones that have been highly publicized are white, yeah. That just says more about the press than my tastes. I ain’t fucking ‘white,’ that’s for sure. Kate’s definitely not. She’s about the furthest thing from ‘white’ there is. She’s got that high-water booty,” he brags. “A high-water booty is important . . . And feet. Feet are very important.”

Back at the Viper Room, a security video monitor flickers on above Depp’s head as he squirts himself some ginger ale from the soda hose behind the downstairs bar. Divided into a grid of four equal parts, the monitor displays the areas of the club where trouble is most likely to occur. One of the quadrants offers a perfect view of the part of the sidewalk in front of the club where, in 1993, River Phoenix collapsed and died from a drug overdose. “It was a fucking wake-up call for everybody for sure,” Depp says. “They tried to drag the club through the mud. They tried to drag me through the mud. But I don’t give a fuck what the tabloid press writes. Forget about me. Forget about the club. This club is going to go away at some point. It’s just a piece of real estate. But to drag River’s name through the mud and turn the incident into a fucking circus was just a horrible thing. It was unforgivable.”

“Did you go through your own drug phase?” I ask.

“Yeah. I experimented—especially when I was a kid. I remember when weed was $25 an ounce! And they don’t have nickel bags anymore! Remember nickel bags?”

“Did River’s death make you question your own temptations? You’ve been arrested a few times for rowdy behavior. You’ve admitted in the past you’ve had a few drinks in your life.”

“No, a few drinks have had me. It’s just kind of pointless. I mean, some people can drink—you know, a few whiskeys or vodkas. But I just keep going.”

“Many of the characters you choose to play carry around a lot of sadness with them. But there have been times during your career when you appear exceedingly sad yourself. Watching What’s Eating Gilbert Grape, for example, one gets this sense of a kind of refracted sadness—your own looking back at us through Gilbert’s eyes.”

“Oh, sure, yeah, Johnny was unhappy then . . . It was a pretty dark time for me. I don’t know what was going on. Well, I was poisoning myself beyond belief.” He points to his soda. “I’d eat that glass, man. There was a lot of liquor. A lot of liquor. I was pretty unhealthy.”

“Were you doing heroin?”

Depp takes a deep breath. “Oh, let’s not talk about that . . . It was a very sad time for me. I’ve never seen Gilbert Grape actually. I can’t watch it.”

“We chase our tails for so long,” Depp softly says. “Getting high is about fucking trying to numb something. Getting loaded and trying to destroy yourself . . . Well, you just get to a point and you go, Fuck! What am I doing? What the fuck am I trying to do to myself? . . . It’s not so much redemption as it is clarity. This really shows I’m getting older. I’m sounding like John Denver or something. But I look forward to having a kind of peace of mind. I know that we all get there eventually, but it entails—at least for me—going through a lot of chaos.”

Depp the director decides to call it a day, and the hubbub on the Mojave set increases. One of the film’s animal wranglers leads a sow toward a trough filled with slop. Depp grins at another wrangler, who is trying to throw a rope around Skippy, a goat that has a featured role in The Brave.

“Did you get to hang out with Red Crow?” Depp asks as we head for his trailer.


“That’s good. The first day, before we started shooting, I had him perform a Lakota Sioux sunrise ceremony to bless the film. Right after he finished, just as the sun was coming up and I was sitting down in my director’s chair for the first time, I got a call on my cellular. It was Brando telling me he’d do the role,” he says, referring to the character who is the sadistic purveyor for the “snuff” film in his movie. “Can you believe that? Marlon’s an angel, man,” Depp says about the legendary actor who also co-starred with him in Don Juan DeMarco. “He’s my angel.”

Depp climbs into the back of the Ford Bronco parked in front of his trailer and opens a cooler stocked with Coronas. He sticks a slice of lime down a Corona’s neck and quickly chugs half the bottle. Wiping his mouth, he grins and grabs a box hidden behind the cooler. “The animal wranglers—they’ve never worked on a movie before—gave me these as a present,” he says as he pulls from the box salt and pepper shakers in the shape of white and black penises.

He quickly hides them again when a little boy, one of the film’s extras, timidly approaches with his mother and asks Depp for his autograph. He good-naturedly obliges. “Can I get a picture of the two of you?” the mother asks. “Sure,” Depp says and gently puts a tattooed arm around the kid, who is astonished by his good fortune, too flustered even to look at the lens pointed their way. That’s O.K. Depp looks back for both of them.

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